BoroughVENT... Gettysburg,PA

Jesus jumping johasafat. I just read on the NCG facebook that libby told Matt the reason Gettysburg is seeing a decline in visitation over the last few years is because of gambling on other parts of the country. OMG Sal PLEASE talk Susan into letting me post there again PLEASE!!!! I promise I will be nice but I can't keep watching this non sense with out saying something.

jaimason wrote:

First off FOR THOSE OF YOU WORRIED ABOUT JOINING GORUPS. if you do not want them to count you as a member you can join and un join the group at will. In other words you can join, post then un join and the next rinse and repeat if necessary.

Sal,

You and I both know why NCG members won't post on the Pro casino page and I also know that there are plenty of people from NCG who are crafty enough to know they can join and un join the group.


I'd like to see libby come post here but I saw she made a comment today that she won't post here.

she said she won't go near it. but she quoted me from BV

SFP wrote:

SFP wrote:

Dexter wrote:

SPF, at what point can we cut the albatross of the Gettysburg Battlefield off or our necks here?  The taxes continue to rise, the revenue from the wonderful NPS does not and obviously never will.  Come on, the area is being stifled and unfairly burdened by the "preservationists" who think nothing should change.  If you and your kind think the area around the battlefield is so damn important then buy it, pay the taxes on it, maintain it anyway that you think fit.  But, until you do, I don't think you have any right to try and tell people what they can and can't do with their property!  There is a reason that an official NPS boundary was made!!!

Dammit, I swore I would stay out of this pissing match and just enjoy the fight, but, this "sacred ground" argument just pisses me off!  It is so arbitrary and without justification.  SPF, why is Hanover alright?  There was a battle there wasn't it?  And didn't troops travel through Chambersburg?  Why isn't that sacred?  I'm not even for or against the casino.  I don't really care if it comes or not, but, the "sacred ground" BS just grinds me.

I said if the people in Hanover want it - whats left of the Hanover battlefield is a housing development - its been gone a number of years.  I got a few pictures of that tract before it was sold and developed a number of years ago.  The rest of the battle/ chase went through town.  There was no battle in Chambersburg, they occupied the town on the way up from the south as they passed through.  They came back in 1864 and burned the town.  The last encampment site has a sign there, right near a construction company if I recall.

Gettysburg, however is a National Park, the battle having taken place both in and outside of the boundries.  But then I guess its ok per your rules that I can bitch.

Hate to break this to you Dexter, but I've done exactly what you said I should do.  I bought a house in the park, live in it and I do pay taxes on it and maintain it and preserve it.  And until the license is given, then I can try to influence the outcome of that decision.  As far as I know, its not actually Mr. LeVan's property yet and the deal is not done.

When did the national park start selling property?

scott wrote:

SFP wrote:

SFP wrote:

I said if the people in Hanover want it - whats left of the Hanover battlefield is a housing development - its been gone a number of years.  I got a few pictures of that tract before it was sold and developed a number of years ago.  The rest of the battle/ chase went through town.  There was no battle in Chambersburg, they occupied the town on the way up from the south as they passed through.  They came back in 1864 and burned the town.  The last encampment site has a sign there, right near a construction company if I recall.

Gettysburg, however is a National Park, the battle having taken place both in and outside of the boundries.  But then I guess its ok per your rules that I can bitch.

Hate to break this to you Dexter, but I've done exactly what you said I should do.  I bought a house in the park, live in it and I do pay taxes on it and maintain it and preserve it.  And until the license is given, then I can try to influence the outcome of that decision.  As far as I know, its not actually Mr. LeVan's property yet and the deal is not done.

When did the national park start selling property?

Far as I know, It's been done with a number of properties over the years.  Sometimes a property where they did not have the funds for the upkeep and sold it with deed restrictions etc in order to save the property.  The people I bought my house from did a major restoration that was needed at the time.

SFP wrote:

jaimason wrote:

Jesus jumping johasafat. I just read on the NCG facebook that libby told Matt the reason Gettysburg is seeing a decline in visitation over the last few years is because of gambling on other parts of the country. OMG Sal PLEASE talk Susan into letting me post there again PLEASE!!!! I promise I will be nice but I can't keep watching this non sense with out saying something.

Actually Ron, I'd really prefer not having that crap go on at the No site.  It's not my site and I don't control it, but I've voiced my opinion on that both there and here.

Why not let her post back on the discussion site - then you could have at her all you want.  You blocked her there.

Bill and Libby are an unfortunate story in terms of what happened to them.  Unfortunately, I feel they cloud the issues that need discussion regarding Gettysburg and our situation of whether or not to have a casino here.

If Bill and Libby posted here, it would just be fuel for the fire and I think the discussion would be in the circle jerk category in a heartbeat.

Libby isn't banned on my facebook page. The only person I have banned is Bill kearney and thats only because I asked to talk about some thing other than his Bill and wouldn't.

Shaking head after reading all these posts. Hmmm. Well you all know me bad gal was a no cosino person the first time. And I am really trying to stay out of it this time around but!!!!!
I don't care much for the new idea of were there wanting to place the gambling slots and tables.
Yes lower taxes, money for the country, and even jobs. I am for that. But why do we have to have it so close?
Just what I want to see or drive by on my way to boyds bears! Ya i know big deal boyds! (not history wise place) But there set back and you can't see it from the road and its clean family fun. Not drunkin, blow your money fun and get in your car and see who we can run into fun.
Like i said i have tryed to stay out of it this time around.

Matt i know how strongly you feel about all of this my friend. I respect your feelings and your thoughts. And would never try to affend you.You have been a good friend to me and my family.
What are people thinking on taking peoples words from old posts. Ok they just wanted to see what they would start and seams like everyone is fueling there fire. Name calling gets us no were. We are grown ups lets all act like one when it comes down to important stuff.

And come on Dexter about the hollowed ground its not BS. Yes you live in the area and have to deal with the everyday tour BS. But these battlefields and yes i said battlefield"S "Mean a great deal to lots of people. And having this feeling is BS then are history means nothing to you then fine But please don't disregard what these men and women did in these places in time. They have mine and my familys full respect. (Thats one reason my oldest is becoming a history teacher)
Your feelings are your own thats fine. But please understand the people that care about the history and want to feel about they way they want. You may not like the name Halowed ground but it means something to so many.

No disrespect to any of you.You all have the right to feel the way you do and to disagree!

Tracee,

I respect your opinion. Not every thing is for everyone and not everyone will want everything all of the time. However for you to call the Eisenhower location hallowed ground is a joke. If it was hallowed ground it aint no more and none of you had any problem with a Eisenhower going up nor the allstar complex nor the housing center there. If you don't like gambling or don't want a casino in your town just say so it's a much more respectable point of view than trying to spread a bunch of baloney about hallowed ground etc...

I'm not sure what the thing is with "seeing it" on your drive by. There was a lady on the NCG message board a few months ago who said it would disturb her to drive by it on her way to work. I just can't fathom that. How does driving by a building upset someone. Certainly you would have to admit this is going to be better maintained and better looking than most of the busnesses and houses on that road if any thing it should be an improvement.

jaimason wrote:

SFP wrote:

jaimason wrote:

Jesus jumping johasafat. I just read on the NCG facebook that libby told Matt the reason Gettysburg is seeing a decline in visitation over the last few years is because of gambling on other parts of the country. OMG Sal PLEASE talk Susan into letting me post there again PLEASE!!!! I promise I will be nice but I can't keep watching this non sense with out saying something.

Actually Ron, I'd really prefer not having that crap go on at the No site.  It's not my site and I don't control it, but I've voiced my opinion on that both there and here.

Why not let her post back on the discussion site - then you could have at her all you want.  You blocked her there.

Bill and Libby are an unfortunate story in terms of what happened to them.  Unfortunately, I feel they cloud the issues that need discussion regarding Gettysburg and our situation of whether or not to have a casino here.

If Bill and Libby posted here, it would just be fuel for the fire and I think the discussion would be in the circle jerk category in a heartbeat.

Libby isn't banned on my facebook page. The only person I have banned is Bill kearney and thats only because I asked to talk about some thing other than his Bill and wouldn't.

Libby, Bill, and Violet all get their validation, "atta girls", "atta boys" and warm fuzzies from posting on the NCG site.  Sure they may get an opposing opinion here and there from the pro group, but in their minds feel that the NCG site has their backs.  Many probably have the same opinion that you do SFP, that they "cloud the issue", my guess is that no one from NCG would admit to anything more.  As for me, I would use a very different term.  I really do lose interest very quickly in anything they have to say, no matter where it is posted.

SFP wrote:

Lifesaver wrote:

jaimason wrote:

Libby isn't banned on my facebook page. The only person I have banned is Bill kearney and thats only because I asked to talk about some thing other than his Bill and wouldn't.

Libby, Bill, and Violet all get their validation, "atta girls", "atta boys" and warm fuzzies from posting on the NCG site.  Sure they may get an opposing opinion here and there from the pro group, but in their minds feel that the NCG site has their backs.  Many probably have the same opinion that you do SFP, that they "cloud the issue", my guess is that no one from NCG would admit to anything more.  As for me, I would use a very different term.  I really do lose interest very quickly in anything they have to say, no matter where it is posted.

I'll respectfully disagree with you on Violet.  For her its all about No casino in Gettysburg, not another agenda.  You may not like her message, but hey, not everone likes mine either, but she's nowhere near a Bill or Libby.

It's not Violets message I don't like it's her blatant lies and her sense of entitlement I don't like. I also am not very fond of peolpe who try to pass of their education as their opinion being superior to everyone else's. I have said many times I can respect someone they don't like gambling or just dont want a casino near their home. Violet has no concern on those issues and she needs to keep her big mouth where it belongs. If you want you can tell her that when the times come for a hearing with the PGCB I will spend my entire 3 minutes of say that I will get talking to the PGCB telling them about the inaccuracies of the white paper she is planning on turning into them to try and bull shit them into not putting a casino here. I already have the 2x3 piece of poster board with the numbers from Vicksburg ready to show them.

I also wanted to say to you Sal that the spin your just tried to pull on the NCG site is clever. Libby asked Marry to tell her where places are that have a net increase in jobs due to gambling. Marry sited Las Vegas becuase with out gambling there would be nothing in the spot of the desert. You come in and quote un employment rates for the area. Nice job trying to defelct the conversation. Typical NCG strategy.....when are losing the debate and have no more ammo changed the subject and cloud the issue.

jaimason wrote:

SFP wrote:

Lifesaver wrote:

Libby, Bill, and Violet all get their validation, "atta girls", "atta boys" and warm fuzzies from posting on the NCG site.  Sure they may get an opposing opinion here and there from the pro group, but in their minds feel that the NCG site has their backs.  Many probably have the same opinion that you do SFP, that they "cloud the issue", my guess is that no one from NCG would admit to anything more.  As for me, I would use a very different term.  I really do lose interest very quickly in anything they have to say, no matter where it is posted.

I'll respectfully disagree with you on Violet.  For her its all about No casino in Gettysburg, not another agenda.  You may not like her message, but hey, not everone likes mine either, but she's nowhere near a Bill or Libby.

It's not Violets message I don't like it's her blatant lies and her sense of entitlement I don't like. I also am not very fond of peolpe who try to pass of their education as their opinion being superior to everyone else's. I have said many times I can respect someone they don't like gambling or just dont want a casino near their home. Violet has no concern on those issues and she needs to keep her big mouth where it belongs. If you want you can tell her that when the times come for a hearing with the PGCB I will spend my entire 3 minutes of say that I will get talking to the PGCB telling them about the inaccuracies of the white paper she is planning on turning into them to try and bull shit them into not putting a casino here. I already have the 2x3 piece of poster board with the numbers from Vicksburg ready to show them.

I also wanted to say to you Sal that the spin your just tried to pull on the NCG site is clever. Libby asked Marry to tell her where places are that have a net increase in jobs due to gambling. Marry sited Las Vegas becuase with out gambling there would be nothing in the spot of the desert. You come in and quote un employment rates for the area. Nice job trying to defelct the conversation. Typical NCG strategy.....when are losing the debate and have no more ammo changed the subject and cloud the issue.

Ron, you and Violet will never agree on the Vicksburg numbers, so I'm not going to try to convince you.  You have a different interpretaion of those numbers and she has hers.  The PGCB will look at all the data and they will either be convinced or not of yours or hers.  A little civility on your part couldn't hurt your case when making the argument you know, at least with the PGCB.

My spin as you call it with Mary on Vegas and AC - first what I said is factual, but if you look at her whole argument - it's like saying that if there was no battle here, Gettysburg would have no jobs ether.  So what?

She asked about how jobs were lost and the bulk of my answer addressed that.  Twice.  Mary is firm in her conviction as I am in mine.  I can leave it at that because I've work to do today.  Contrary to popular belief, I have to work for a living.

By the way, the debate comment and losing?  First, you did not hear a concession statement and second I'm not clouding any issues, I've always said where I'm coming from and why.  But as you,  I get to choose what I want to say and where - you can try to influence that - but thats your problem. 

I've posted my issues here and thrashed them out enough that I don't feel the need to keep posting the same info over again since I figure people either got it or they didn't, but repeating it isn't going to help and will just annoy people.  If something new comes up worth commenting on or I feel I can contribure, ok, then I will and accept any incoming response it may generate.

Your comment of "your losing" is a classic baiting tactic.  Others may feel that way as well, but as long as I don't, your thought on it really doesn't matter.

Last edited by SFP (03-10-2010 08:54:25)

Sal,

I see marry just owned you in the dabate on the NCG page. You then came out and gave your usual I'm LEAVING speach which is what you do every time you lose a debate.

Mr. Blonde wrote:

I had G. Terry as a professor on three separate occasions while in college and even worked at his polling station, the man goes by the book.

So since you never answered me in the other thread, I will ask again: are you claiming that the woman who described being push-polled is lying, or do you not think what she describes counts as push-polling, or do you think push-polling is going 'by the book'?

jaimason wrote:

I'm not sure what the thing is with "seeing it" on your drive by. There was a lady on the NCG message board a few months ago who said it would disturb her to drive by it on her way to work. I just can't fathom that. How does driving by a building upset someone. Certainly you would have to admit this is going to be better maintained and better looking than most of the busnesses and houses on that road if any thing it should be an improvement.

Yes, driving by on the way to Boyd's Bears no less, would it be easier to drive by if the building housing the casino was a fake barn???

I suppose the only reason that driving by could be an issue would be if they do not expand the road and you are forced to drive by every day at 5 miles per hour sitting in traffic...